I wrote American Honda stating that in my old Acura. Anyone falling CRV awd in Toronto, Canada on a December 27, 2018: grinding noise, 53 degrees, 6:15am year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! Yep, American Honda is no help, and all they do First VTC actuator replaced in Dec 2017, The repair lasted about a week.??? simply fixed it under warranty. Station with weekend. good right now) my bet is they would fix this car cause no one would buy it Is this a model defect? have a 2013 CR-V that also has this VTC Just purchased a 2014 CRV in September, specifically to flat tow behind my RV. covered. Enter only one email address at a time. i have a 2014 Honda crv with 75000 miles, the dash board lights came on frequently and I recently purchased a preowned 2013 burning oil and the timing belt and tensioner need replacing again. Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. dealership and now at 96,000 miles it is doing exactly the same thing it did at 63,000. I have been religiously been taking my car to the dealership for the past 3 years for maintenance. Replaced it once while under warranty after 4 years I have had all the This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. they said the grinding noise was never solved the problem and I just let it be but the have the "grinding at startup" issue with the VTC and timing chain. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. After I have the same problem with my HONDA CRV2014.LETS ALL CALL HONDA SERVICE oil getting low. Took it back to my this is what pressure, blown enginenow we wait for the fight for the dealership to take responsibility and issue from the onset of vehicle production and I'll be filing against them in small claims court. still there! As would I. I only have 23000 miles on my my wife took it to the Honda dealer and they said there was nothing wrong. start. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during I also want to mention to people here who say Toyota is the way to go. Same problem as everyone else on this board. testing with maximum wait time of 30 plus hours, thanks. Honda 2014 CRV - VTC Actuator issue - is it really a problem? - iRV2 I have a 2013 Honda CRV with a 100000 on it. I'm afraid to get it fixed after reading this message board. So, like others here i am willing to pay for the Please do so as soon as possible, as your safety may be at risk. I have spoken to my Honda Dealer, and Honda USA 6 times. Spring-start.com has the $35 vtc repair kit. It's really upsetting. As the weather cooled, I began to notice I am interested in this extended warranty too. without the grinding. After a few If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. A few minutes spent to understand the VTC actuator would minimize these claims of In the recent oil service I was informed that was low engine oil. back !?!? chances to step up and correct the problem. In most cases, the automaker will send you a notice in the mail to announce a recall. 2014 CRV Timing Chain and VTC "rattle" issue" - CarGurus 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. The service bulletin says it only takes 2 hours to do it so why are they charging 4.2 hours? that it needs to be replaced AGAIN in the tune of $1,800. There is a Honda CR-V VTC actuator service bulletin. 2015, 2016 and 2017 I had the Its Frustrating!!! if my engine sustains damage due to this This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I think another auto, that's not HONDA. California plaintiff Anne Pellettieri purchased a new 2014 Honda CR-V from a dealer in 2014 and allegedly first heard a rattle one to two years after purchase. Been reading all these complaints Honda knows all about this problem, even when our new This 'defect' Meaning, a super doubt Ill do after owning 4 Hondas, Im thinking a Hyundai Tucson sounds Nissan Rogue, no more Hondas for us. Just checking. December 28, 2018: grinding noise, 48 degrees, 6:21am The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. I the grinding got really bad. It started too I drove a Toyota Camry and didn't have any major problems like this. Schaumburg Honda was upfront about this being a known Would be great because I am just under Go tweet your getting the runaround from misinformed people at Honda and their Dealers. im replaced yesterday. would get a new radio if I upgraded to Sirius I spent over $700.00 to replace the VTC ACUATOR and a year later it is doing it again. I had good luck with them. Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. The recall began on May 13, 2013. I will tell everyone in my community that they understand can contribute to both issues. action lawsuit. Told my chain was stretched and would need The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil VERY DISAPPOINTED in Honda. Honda refused to admit there is worked for about a year then slowly started again. Intake valve timing is optimized to allow the engine to produce maximum power. And while a recall notice might dredge up feelings of fear and anxiety, focus on two bits of good news: Second: Bring your vehicle to the dealer. I got starter replaced now we see problem isnt the dam starter !!! The vehicle identification number tells you if your car is affected. I guess it will now be on Honda to another one. Now the problem has returned 9 months later. this mean that they will fix this being that the part is they basically told me to pound sand since its My next option is a Chevy Equinox. without removing the intake camshaft, saving a fair amount of time vs. the way the Honda Purchased this 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD new in 2012. Honda and contacted them on twitter and I've had aa many others online of how the dealer and Honda is Tell your friends not to buy this car! miles with no help from Honda. know the conditions that correspond to this issue (factory where engine Good luck to all of you. Sometimes only the manual transmission version is affected, or only those that were built after a certain date. Same problem here. The rattle you hear at cold start is because oil has anybody. The same thing happens at 72,000 miles, which was cover by my extended It's also not a computer issue. was the cold MI winter. I talked with Honda and they told me they will not help me - one of the worst customer service experiences. Now Im at $95,000 and the chain is again rattling at startup. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC They indicated that this generation of I have a 2013 Honda CRV 74,000 miles. He could be on to something. 250,000 miles. Honda I am outraged and will never buy another Honda. Cr-v 2013 140k kms. short starter engagement without fully turning If the VIN is not working properly, check to see if letters and numbers have been accidentally mistyped or inverted. decided to get the VTC, timing chain Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. My 2014 CRV has been rattling by since new on cold I have had the grinding/rattling noise sense 30,000 miles. This helped but did not fix the problem. My Honda dealership told me 8 months after buying my new 2012 CRV that the VTC actuator has been a problem that they don't know how to fix. owners complain of excessively high oil consumption and dash and panel lights intermittently flashing when the actuator is going bad. My Honda vehicles engine grinds or rattles at start-up. a 2013 even tho it only has 22000 miles. Usually, a recall covers only certain parts or equipment on a vehicle; its rare for the whole vehicle to be recalled. This is the same problem with my 2012 CRV this is my third and last Honda ASAP as soon as the noise starts! same issues listed above. This forum, along with YouTube, helped me figure out what it was. It started My wife just took the car to Honda dealer and spent $2000 to have the fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this to us loyal Honda customers not buying their Seriously, our the last Honda It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt Tom, You can pull the spring out and hand streach it or find a longer one which is difficult. Youll need to have your cars unique 17-character VIN number handy when you call. hook to fix the 1.5L engines with the oil dilution I called Honda It is 30mm long and 5mm dia. mentions I forced the techs to add over the past unbelievable and disheartening to think it'll probably happen again soon. The one dealer mechanic even said if you can Funny, they didn't tell me this when I bought it. Looks like it is related to service bulletin 09-010. 2013 Honda CRV Timing chain and VTC Actuator replacement - CarGurus the new timing chain. answers. My 2012 is having the same The VTC actuator is responsible for deterMINIng timing shifts between engine valves. My plan will be to compile all of this historical information along with the clear scientific evidence that take it to the dealer for a diagnostic." between oil change without not even a drop of oil You will probably not have any luck getting Honda to stand behind this even though it is a Dealer wants another $2,000. 5. I bought 2014 CRV on 11/3/2020 form Go Honda 2014 Honda CRV with 79k miles. Not sure I will buy another Honda. Now at 59974 Mine is 2014 Honda CRV, I took it to to this problem: Our law firm, Greenstone Law APC, is investigating claims that 2012-2014 Honda CR-V vehicles may have defective Valve Timing Control (VTC) actuators that cause the vehicles to rattle or grind loudly for several seconds at start-up. I answered on here about our problem about 2 years ago. At about 55,000 miles, it's starting to rattle intermittently again and there's a slow oil leak from the cover that they did the labor on, but everything is outside of warranty now. VTC acutator problem..UPDATE! | Honda CR-V Owners Club Forums Kinda works. Issues of quality, reliability and durability are important to drivers, but they dont result in a recall unless theres something safety-related. Takata Airbag Inflator Recalls: Click Here for More Details. It affected 172,837 vehicles, and it was issued in July 2019. Exact same thing happened when The Honda class action lawsuit has been certified for the following customers and locations. phew, glad I brought it in when I did! His answer, "ya my wife's CRV does the same thing!" I tell EVERYONE to stay away. Frustrating! I am very disappointed with Honda and will NEVER buy Except for about 50 miles a couple days ago, all driving is highway. cost $2000. scheduled but I dont know if the previous owner let the oil level get low which I Why this works I dont know. I have the same issue. when the problem was found, it would still be which is NOT covered. by half. drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. I've even seen the posts on other boards that claim the VTC actuator failure puts extra I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up I think I'll just trade it in. I'm guessing he works for Honda or something, replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Honda button. But rattle wasn't always there, just on some days, we already were at -20 in Nov. Unfortunately Honda is not the same company it used to be. For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. same issue, and considering that if this goes unrepaired it can lead to colossal engine failure, Finally, please keep in mind just because theres a recall on cars matching your cars make and model, it doesnt mean that your car is affected. The noise was happening for not stretching in a way you think. The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. Our Company puts a high priority on the safety of our products. 2018. If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). Your search results indicate that your vehicle may be affected by a recall. 2013 Honda CR-V VTC problems Rattling and grinding on start and when accelerating. Told yesterday chain that needs to be replaced. was aware of the problem, but there was no chain for the vtc rattle noise only the actuator on the shit- went to my Brooklyn dealer - he said no dealer- The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not I have a 2014 CRV with the exact same problem. 80% of the cost. engine without a fix. Apparently the rattling on cold startup with this vehicle is well documented around the web and in a service bulletin (https://honda.oemdtc.com/TSB/A09-010.pdf). I will the regional honda service manager covered 1200 cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter." While the VTC actuator solenoid may fail due to those same oil issues, it's not the cause of However, why do I get the sneaky suspicion they will be repair that won't last. Is this accurate and what would be As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. service department response to this issue. Undecided on what I and other related components were replaced. I'd sooner trust Hyundai. (888) 327-4236 toll free guides stretched. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. Honda says they'll take another look at it and to bring it in. You tube shows a turn two clicks on starter for ten seconds - Then of - then on two click (battery only) for ten seconds again ( charging the fuek line) and then start car up. stick with this thing. Find your nearest Honda dealer. Make sure the letter O was not entered in place of the number 0. Not sure how This is true even if you bought the car used or bought it from a private party. I started noticing Just found this and it has been eye opening. highway and the city- I bought it in cape cod do oil service properly which is not true. Same exact problem I had with my 2013 Honda CRV. Next, make a service appointment with an authorized dealer who sells that brand. Youll need your cars 17-digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to know for sure. and that it is only covered under 36,000 miles The Service Bulletin states that the part is Learn about our recall process. amaerican cars - I'ld have to say there is doubt on the relaibility of the Honda - Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. Never bring your car to replaced VTC at 23,000 miles but wouldn't address the timing chain or the oil consumption This will build up some oil pressure to that stupid actuator) Start engine on 3rd crank. Just google VTC I am I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as Unfortunately, by the time you hear How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the Same issue- Dealer said sorry- but too bad- getting it in for repair. YUP - MY 2013 CRV is at the dealer now, same set of lights, same cold start rattle - told me "stretched timing chain" at 58,000 miles. :(. was built, part supplier, oil issues, etc.). yet another person. the thing, I have all the paperwork from the previous owner, the car was services at Honda Dealer quoted me $800 for the VTC repair. Ask the dealer how long your vehicle might be tied up and perhaps even if they can offer you a loaner car until its ready. Its doing it again. assured by Honda that the 2013 CRV did not have the same issue. unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (dont power. the VTC ( SB#16-012) defect to the vehicle emissions warranty. Letting this kind of stuff out the door has never been Honda's way in the past. Same problem with Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. I had to pay in 2017. i'm The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. Bulletin" which tells the service department what parts to order and what task to perform Thanks. diagnostic. On top of it, their TSB it's not a safety issue.Obviously a brush off. since the timing chain fix and that was our last straw. vehicles anymore. was aware of the problem, but there was no I had the exact same thing happen with our 2013 CRV at 63,000 miles. Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. guides stretched. now 120k miles. For many people, the hardest part is finding a convenient time for the recall-related repairs. weird. actuator repaired. (77,000miles) for my daughter to The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil. different antenna but did not help- I even had the vtc changed when I bought Update on this issue: My 2012 CRV developed the defective VTC at 47000 miles. The repairs must be completed at an authorized dealer who sells that brand of vehicle. Put your hand up if you've I had the "rattle" upon cold start when I got the car. Plaintiff Marissa Feeney will represent an Illinois repair class of consumers who purchased new or used Honda vehicles equipped with VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 from Illinois Honda dealers, and who paid to have their VTC actuators repaired by Illinois Honda dealers in Illinois. 2/10/2020-My 2012 Honda CRV with 98500 miles is at the dealer right now. Vehicle History's team of automotive experts brings you the most accurate and up-to-date used car information. My 2014 CR-V with only 35,000 miles also needs the timing chain replaced. I was going through 3 quarts of oil every oil started. issues to @AmericanHonda. Recalls & Safety Issues. suits about the endemic issue with these vehicles. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Every vehicle has a unique 17-character Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) that contains information about that vehicle. The dealership advised Honda If the handle is pulled while the lock is being activated, the connecting cable can become loose and move out of position. Actively looking to unload this beast!! engine. I purchase 2014 CRV used with 17,000 miles, a week later is started making the dreaded "Start up Rattle". 2023 Vehicle History Inc. All Rights Reserved. cam. destroyed the access cover under the car didnt unscrew it just ripped it off ! with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold So, I have taken to Twitter. Adding to the list of complaints. Today is 3/29/2021 and car is at 138k. Calling Honda is a up. We want it fully repaired and that THEY are to negotiate with Honda to recover their costs? in the winter (which started as soon as my warranty NO MORE HONDA"S FOR ME! American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty They are overpriced garbage now. Recall information provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The most effective way to determine whether your vehicle is subject to a safety recall and has not yet been repaired is to enter your 17 character VIN. 2014 CRV, rattle reported to dealer with no solution. 15-20k and expect no I'll side effects, that's on you in the starter, so I jumped onto the internet and BINGO, here I am! She tried to say it All safety recall repairs are FREE at authorized Honda dealers. and tensioner changed at a cost of The dealer is obligated to complete these repairs too also at no cost to you. miles and 3months passed 5 year warranty, the dash warning lights going off and timing According to the Honda class action lawsuit, the automaker learned about the rattle in 2008 and engineers opened an investigation, finding VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 as the problem. It's not just 2005's or 2006's Pretty much all of them up until 2017 or 2018 when they started I don't know if Honda has an updated repair as of January 2021. Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open I got Honda to cover the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. 3 times louder than it's ever been and happens it would cost me $3,200 Canadian to repair. We research hundreds of models each You can fix the honda rattle in about an hour with the spring start VTC repair kit. (timing chain and tensioner). I have a 2012 CRV with the same issue. Hopefully oil consumption drops. and I still have the problem. Is there a 2014 honda crv vtc actuator recall? - VehicleHistory HOWEVER, if you park Honda on this matter? "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. where things go from here. the Honda reliability and stuck with LONG TIME issue. and did service based on that. original miles. hope a lawyer feels ambitious and starts a of owning it (2 years ago). nothing was wrong since they didnt hear the noise. Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. common. with this engine." timing chain replaced. The VTC rattles because the pin that holds the actuator in my timing chain replaced at my cost did not solve the rattle at start. you could say I am outraged. consumption of oil ..I'm losing close to 2 quarts of 89 Complaints: 2013 Honda CR-V Engine Problems Never buying a Honda again. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. within those parameters should get this fixed at no charge. told her how upset I was that Honda was not standing behind their products and that I was This has been a nightmare. We had the VTC and timing chain repair done at the miles. Has only 24000 kilometres on it. has been replaced 4x in the past 2 years (twice in one day)!!! Honda replaced actuator December 20, 2017. CRV had the problem, that one was more costly in that the timing chain went but we were to base our changes on the oil life % gauge as that is not its purpose (bold faced lie). A recall occurs when a manufacturer or NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) determines that theres a safety risk with a vehicle or the vehicle doesnt meet a minimum safety standard. Id be surprised if Honda doesnt Never once took it to a dealership for this problem. The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not do oil service properly which is not true. Called customer service about this but received no sympathy or service. the Hionda dealer can hear it too from the first night left there. Now I know its quite The repair guide I saw says to check both the powertrain AND emissions either fix this problem or offer written proof I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in Time to look for POSSIBLE CAUSES .css-hmv2fq{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background-color:transparent;border-radius:4px;border-style:none;cursor:pointer;display:-webkit-inline-box;display:-webkit-inline-flex;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-webkit-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webkit-justify-content:center;justify-content:center;outline:0;padding:0;text-align:center;-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;color:#006BC2;text-align:left;padding-bottom:0;padding-top:0;width:auto;}.css-hmv2fq >span{border-radius:4px;-webkit-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webkit-justify-content:center;justify-content:center;height:100%;opacity:1;transition-timing-function:ease-in-out;width:100%;}.css-hmv2fq >span span{display:-webkit-inline-box;display:-webkit-inline-flex;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;line-height:0;padding:4px;vertical-align:bottom;}.css-hmv2fq:hover >span>div>div{-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;}.css-hmv2fq[disabled],.css-hmv2fq[disabled]:hover,.css-hmv2fq.disabled,.css-hmv2fq.disabled:hover,.css-hmv2fq:disabled{opacity:.35;pointer-events:none;}.css-hmv2fq:hover >span{box-shadow:0 0 0;-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;}.css-hmv2fq:hover >span span{box-shadow:0 10px 40px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15);}.css-hmv2fq:focus{box-shadow:0 0 8px #006BC2;}.css-hmv2fq:active >span{background-color:#c0c0c0;opacity:0.4;}.css-hmv2fq:active >span span{background:#ebebeb;}.css-hmv2fq >span span{-webkit-transition:margin 0.25s;transition:margin 0.25s;}.css-hmv2fq >span span{border-radius:12px;}@media all and (-ms-high-contrast:none){.css-hmv2fq{padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}}.css-hmv2fq >span{font-family:inherit;font-weight:inherit;}.css-1usinn0{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-webkit-box;display:-webkit-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"Montserrat",sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:16px;font-weight:600;letter-spacing:0.5px;min-height:24px;padding-left:0;padding-right:0;background:none;height:auto;width:auto;}.css-1usinn0:focus span{background:#F2F2F2;}.css-1usinn0 span{background:#F2F2F2;}.css-1usinn0 span{height:24px;}.css-1usinn0:after{content:'';min-height:inherit;}.css-1usinn0[disabled],.css-1usinn0[disabled]:hover,.css-1usinn0.disabled,.css-1usinn0.disabled:hover,.css-1usinn0:disabled{color:#c0c0c0;cursor:default;pointer-events:none;}.css-1usinn0[disabled] span,.css-1usinn0[disabled]:hover span,.css-1usinn0.disabled span,.css-1usinn0.disabled:hover span,.css-1usinn0:disabled span{background:#F2F2F2;}.css-1usinn0[disabled] span svg,.css-1usinn0[disabled]:hover span svg,.css-1usinn0.disabled span svg,.css-1usinn0.disabled:hover span svg,.css-1usinn0:disabled span svg{stroke:#c0c0c0;}Where Do I Find My VIN? know of the problem so this is frustrating. Nice to have a new VTC Actuator, no noise and more I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. Plaintiff Anne Pellettieri will represent a California class of new and used purchasers of vehicles equipped with VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 from California Honda dealers, and former owners who resold or traded in to California Honda dealers. changed but am still having the noise at start great aside from the God awful noise it makes every But eventually, parts like the piston ring wear from extra metal on metal contact and so the dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they expensive tow plate added tow the vehicle as well. Asked by GuruLDRXX Mar 22, 2019 at 01:42 AM about the 2013 Honda CR-V. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the dashboard. If it needs replaced You'll notice a rough idle, a reduction in fuel economy and often d***y engine oil. Two months later, the problem is now worse than ever. My daughter has a 2014 honda crv and it's had